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Sutta Nipāta 5.10 Sutta Nipāta 5.9Anthology of Discourses 5.10

Todeyyamāṇavapucchā Todeyya’s QuestionsThe Questions of Todeyya

ā€œYasmiṁ kāmā na vasanti, ā€œOne in whom no sensualities dwell;ā€œIn whom sensual pleasures do not dwell,ā€

(iccāyasmā todeyyo) (Todeyya)said Venerable Todeyya,

Taṇhā yassa na vijjati; in whom no craving is found;ā€œand for whom there is no craving,

Kathaį¹…kathā ca yo tiṇṇo, who has crossed over perplexity—and who has crossed over indecision—

Vimokkho tassa kÄ«disoā€. his emancipation: What is it like?ā€of what kind is their liberation?ā€

ā€œYasmiṁ kāmā na vasanti, ā€œOne in whom no sensualities dwell;ā€œIn whom sensual pleasures do not dwell,ā€

(todeyyāti bhagavā) (the Buddha)replied the Buddha,

Taṇhā yassa na vijjati; in whom no craving is found;ā€œand for whom there is no craving,

Kathaį¹…kathā ca yo tiṇṇo, who has crossed over perplexity—and who has crossed over indecision—

Vimokkho tassa nāparoā€. his emancipation is not other than that.ā€Nd IIA takes this to mean that the ending of craving is, in itself, emancipation — nothing further is needed. See SN 43.there is no liberation that is further.ā€

ā€œNirāsaso so uda āsasāno, ā€œIs he without desire, or desiring?ā€œAre they free of hope, or are they still in need of hope?

Paññāṇavā so uda paƱƱakappÄ«; Discerning or still acquiring discernment?Do they possess wisdom, or are they still forming wisdom? Bodhi reads kappÄ« (against the Niddesa) in the sense ā€œmannerā€. But it seems unlikely Todeyya, or anyone really, would ask whether a sage merely seemed wise. Surely the question must be whether a sage is someone who is still in the process of learning, a question that has been important to the Buddhist traditions and still is today.

Muniṁ ahaṁ sakka yathā vijaññaṁ, Describe the sage to me, Sakyan, All-around Eye,O Sakyan, elucidate the sage to me,

Taṁ me viyācikkha samantacakkhuā€. so that I may recognize what he is like.ā€so that I may understand, All-seer.ā€

ā€œNirāsaso so na ca āsasāno, ā€œHe’s without desire, not desiring;ā€œThey are free of hope, they are not in need of hope.

Paññāṇavā so na ca paƱƱakappÄ«; discerning, not still acquiring discernment.They possess wisdom, they are not still forming wisdom.

Evampi todeyya muniṁ vijāna, Recognize the sage, Todeyya,That, Todeyya, is how to understand a sage,

AkiƱcanaṁ kāmabhave asattanā€ti. as having nothing, unentangled in sensuality & becoming.ā€one who has nothing, unattached to sensual life.ā€

Todeyyamāṇavapucchā navamā. Todeyya’s Questions, the ninth.
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