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Sutta Nipāta 5.4 Sutta Nipāta 5.4Anthology of Discourses 5.4

Puṇṇakamāṇavapucchā Puṇṇaka’s QuestionsThe Questions of Puṇṇaka

ā€œAnejaṁ mÅ«ladassāviṁ, ā€œTo the one unperturbed, who has seen the roots,Nd II explains the Buddha’s having ā€œseen the rootsā€ in three ways: (a) that greed, aversion, and delusion are the roots of the unskillful, while their absence roots the skillful — citing AN 6:39, though Nd II’s quotation there adds phrasing not found in the sutta itself, apparently to close off the implication that good or bad destinations could exist beyond the deva, human, and lower realms; (b) that all unskillful qualities are rooted in ignorance (per SN 20:1) while all skillful qualities are rooted in heedfulness (per SN 45:79–80, SN 45:82, and SN 46:31); and (c) that ignorance is the root of all the factors of dependent co-arising. For a further sense in which the Buddha saw the root, see MN 1.ā€œTo the imperturbable, the seer of the root,ā€

(iccāyasmā puṇṇako) (Puṇṇaka)said Venerable Puṇṇaka,

Atthi paƱhena āgamaṁ; I have come with a question.ā€œI have come seeking with a question.

Kiṁ nissitā isayo manujā, Because of what have many human seersOn what grounds have seers and men,

Khattiyā brāhmaṇā devatānaṁ; —noble warriors, brahmans—aristocrats and brahmins here in the world

Yaññamakappayiṁsu puthūdha loke, offered sacrifices to devas here in the world?A similar question receives a different answer at Sn 3:4.performed so many different sacrifices to the gods?

Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brÅ«hi me taį¹ā€. I ask you, Blessed One. Please tell me.ā€I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.ā€

ā€œYe kecime isayo manujā, ā€œThose many human seersā€œWhatever seers and men,ā€

(puṇṇakāti bhagavā) (the Buddha)replied the Buddha,

Khattiyā brāhmaṇā devatānaṁ; —noble warriors, brahmansā€”ā€œaristocrats and brahmins here in the world

YaƱƱamakappayiṁsu puthÅ«dha loke, who have offered sacrifices to devas here in the world, Puṇṇaka,have performed so many different sacrifices to the gods:

ĀsÄ«samānā puṇṇaka itthattaṁ; hoping for more of this state of being,all performed sacrifices bound to old age,

Jaraṁ sitā yaƱƱamakappayiṁsuā€. offered their sacrifices because of aging.ā€longing for this place.ā€

ā€œYe kecime isayo manujā, ā€œThese many human seersā€œAs to those seers and men,ā€

(iccāyasmā puṇṇako) (Puṇṇaka)said Venerable Puṇṇaka,

Khattiyā brāhmaṇā devatānaṁ; —noble warriors, brahmansā€”ā€œand aristocrats and brahmins here in the world

Yaññamakappayiṁsu puthūdha loke, who have offered sacrifices to devas here in the world:who have performed so many different sacrifices to the gods:

Kaccissu te bhagavā yaƱƱapathe appamattā; Have they, Blessed One, heeding the path of sacrifice, dear sir,being diligent in the technique of sacrifice,

Atāruṁ jātiñca jarañca mārisa, crossed over birth & aging?have they crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?

Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brÅ«hi me taį¹ā€. I ask you, Blessed One. Please tell me.ā€I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.ā€

ā€œÄ€sÄ«santi thomayanti abhijappanti juhanti, ā€œThey hoped for, liked, longed for, so they sacrificedā€”ā€œHoping, invoking, praying, and worshiping,ā€

(puṇṇakāti bhagavā) (the Buddha)replied the Buddha,

Kāmābhijappanti paį¹­icca lābhaṁ; they longed for sensuality, dependent on gain.ā€œthey pray for pleasure derived from profit.

Te yājayogā bhavarāgarattā, I tell you: Those who take on the yoke of sacrifice, impassioned with the passion for becoming,Devoted to sacrifice, besotted by rebirth,

Nātariṁsu jātijaranti brÅ«miā€. have not crossed over birth & aging.ā€On the question of rebirth in the suttas generally, see the essay The Truth of Rebirth.they’ve not crossed over rebirth and old age, I declare.ā€

ā€œTe ce nātariṁsu yājayogā, ā€œIf those who take on the yoke of sacrificeā€œIf those devoted to sacrifice,ā€

(iccāyasmā puṇṇako) (Puṇṇaka)said Venerable Puṇṇaka,

YaƱƱehi jātiƱca jaraƱca mārisa; haven’t crossed over birth & aging,ā€œhave not, by sacrificing, crossed over rebirth and old age,

Atha ko carahi devamanussaloke, then who in the world, dear sir, of beings divine & humanwho then in the world of gods and humans

Atāri jātiƱca jaraƱca mārisa; has crossed over birth & aging?has crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?

Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brÅ«hi me taį¹ā€. I ask you, Blessed One. Please tell me.ā€I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.ā€

ā€œSaį¹…khāya lokasmi paroparāni, ā€œHe who has fathomed the high & low in the world,ā€œHaving appraised the world high and low,ā€

(puṇṇakāti bhagavā) (the Buddha)replied the Buddha,

YassiƱjitaṁ natthi kuhiƱci loke; for whom there is nothing perturbing in the worldā€”ā€œthere is nothing in the world that disturbs them.

Santo vidhÅ«mo anÄ«gho nirāso, evaporated, undesiring, untroubled, at peace—Per Nd II, ā€œevaporatedā€ means that one’s misconduct in body, speech, and mind — together with all one’s defilements — has dried up and vanished.Peaceful, unclouded, untroubled, with no need for hope—

Atāri so jātijaranti brÅ«mÄ«ā€ti. he, I tell you, has crossed over birth & aging.ā€Both AN 3:32 and AN 4:41 discuss this closing verse. In AN 3:32, Ven. Ānanda asks whether a monk could develop a concentration free of ā€œIā€-making, ā€œmineā€-making, or underlying conceit with regard to this body, to any external object of concentration, and within the release of awareness and discernment. The Buddha says yes, describing the perception behind it as: ā€œThis is peace, this is exquisite — the stilling of all fabrications, the relinquishing of all acquisitions, the ending of craving, dispassion, cessation, unbindingā€ — and says the poem’s final verse was spoken with that state of mind in view. In AN 4:41, the Buddha names four ways of developing concentration — leading to a pleasant abiding in the present, to knowledge and vision, to mindfulness and alertness, and to the ending of the effluents — and says the final verse was spoken with these four in mind. Although the verse doesn’t name concentration directly, its phrase ā€œnothing perturbingā€ seems to point to the ā€œimperturbableā€ states of concentration; see MN 102, note 2, and MN 106, note 1.they’ve crossed over rebirth and old age, I declare.ā€

Puṇṇakamāṇavapucchā tatiyā. Puṇṇaka’s Questions, the third.
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